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Beim MacBook Pro ist ein beliebtes altes Feature zurück und es fängt mit "M-a-g" an. Wenn ihr jetzt MagSafe geraten habt, dann müssen wir euch leider enttäuschen, aber wenn ihr "Magic Keyboard" geraten habt, dann haben wir einen Teardown für euch. Hier ist das nagelneue, Butterfly-lose, 16 Zoll MacBook Pro und wir werden es heute völlig auseinandernehmen, vom schicken neuen Wärmedesign bis hin zu den dröhnenden Lautsprechern. Lies dir auf jeden Fall unseren Blog Post durch, so hast du schonmal einen ersten Eindruck.

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This teardown is not a repair guide. To repair your MacBook Pro 16" 2019, use our service manual.

  1. Das moderne MacBook Pro gehört zu den kontroversesten Geräten von Apple, aber das war nicht immer der Fall. Wir hoffen sehr, dass dieses neue Modell zu seinem alten Glanz zurückkehren wird. Hier sind zunächst einmal die technische Daten unseres Teardown-OpfersGeräts: 16" LED‑hintergrundbeleuchtetes IPS Retina Display mit True Tone, 3072 × 1920 Auflösung (226 ppi) 2,6 GHz 6‑Kern Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost bis zu 4,5 GHz), gekoppelt mit einem AMD Radeon Pro 5300M
    • Das moderne MacBook Pro gehört zu den kontroversesten Geräten von Apple, aber das war nicht immer der Fall. Wir hoffen sehr, dass dieses neue Modell zu seinem alten Glanz zurückkehren wird. Hier sind zunächst einmal die technische Daten unseres Teardown-OpfersGeräts:

    • 16" LED‑hintergrundbeleuchtetes IPS Retina Display mit True Tone, 3072 × 1920 Auflösung (226 ppi)

    • 2,6 GHz 6‑Kern Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost bis zu 4,5 GHz), gekoppelt mit einem AMD Radeon Pro 5300M

    • 16 GB 2666 MHz DDR4 SDRAM

    • 512 GB SSD

    • 100 Wh Akku

    • 6-Lautsprecher-Soundsystem und eine Hochleistung-Mikrofon-Anordnung

    • Von außen gibt Apple nicht viel Preis, wenigstens haben sie dieses Design nicht abgeändert, nur um Spontankäufer anzuziehen. Der einzige, tatsächliche Hinweis ist die neue Modellnummer: A2141 and EMC 3347.

  2. Wenn man sie wie Pancakes übereinanderstapelt, ist zu erkennen, dass das neue MacBook Pro deutlich größer (und einen Hauch dicker) als das letzte 15" Modell ist. Es ist eigentlich gut mit dem 2015 Modell vergleichbar, also, von der Größe her, nicht von der Auswahl an Anschlüssen. Rücken and Rücken mit dem 2015 Pro hat man den Eindruck doppelt zu sehen ... bis man genauer hinschaut. Das Displayscharnier ist anders und die Tasten des alten Pro stehen etwas mehr heraus. Bei einem ähnlichen Vergleich zwischen den beiden 2019 MacBook Pros, ist zum 16" Folgendes zu sagen:
    • Wenn man sie wie Pancakes übereinanderstapelt, ist zu erkennen, dass das neue MacBook Pro deutlich größer (und einen Hauch dicker) als das letzte 15" Modell ist. Es ist eigentlich gut mit dem 2015 Modell vergleichbar, also, von der Größe her, nicht von der Auswahl an Anschlüssen.

    • Rücken and Rücken mit dem 2015 Pro hat man den Eindruck doppelt zu sehen ... bis man genauer hinschaut. Das Displayscharnier ist anders und die Tasten des alten Pro stehen etwas mehr heraus.

    • Bei einem ähnlichen Vergleich zwischen den beiden 2019 MacBook Pros, ist zum 16" Folgendes zu sagen:

    • Eine physische Esc-Taste, die von der Touch Bar getrennt ist

    • Ein mattes Finish auf der Touch ID/ Einschalttaste, was zum Rest der Tasten passt

    • Eine etwa 19 mm kürzere Touch Bar

    • Pfeiltasten in Form eines umgekehrten T, alle in halber Größe

    • Wenn man auf das linke Gitter zoomt und das Bild verbessert, sind die getarnten Löcher für die verbesserten Dreifach-Mikrofone zu erkennen. Und nachdem du das jetzt weisst, wirst du sie immer sehen.

    Ich habe mein MBP16” Im Februar 2020 erhalten und dieses hat die erwähnten Löcher für die Mikrofone nicht…

    Atomic One - Reply

  3. Jetzt dürfen wir endlich das tun, was wir am besten können: Werkzeuge in Sachen reinstecken und sehen, was auseinander geht. Fangen wir mit den Tastenabdeckungen an. Erinnert ihr euch an das Magic Keyboard des iMac? Es handelt sich dabei um ein beliebtes und zuverlässiges Design, das Apple als "Kerntechnologie" für die überarbeitete Tastatur in diesem neuen Gerät bezeichnet. Das ist wahrscheinlich etwas untertrieben: Im Vergleich nebeneinander gelegt, sind sie kaum zu unterscheiden. Schalter mit Scherenmechanik, Tastenkappen ... Um die neuen Tasten herum ist etwas weniger Platz und Experten werden diese rekonfigurierten Pfeiltasten feiern, aber alles andere sieht fast identisch aus.
    • Jetzt dürfen wir endlich das tun, was wir am besten können: Werkzeuge in Sachen reinstecken und sehen, was auseinander geht.

    • Fangen wir mit den Tastenabdeckungen an. Erinnert ihr euch an das Magic Keyboard des iMac? Es handelt sich dabei um ein beliebtes und zuverlässiges Design, das Apple als "Kerntechnologie" für die überarbeitete Tastatur in diesem neuen Gerät bezeichnet.

    • Das ist wahrscheinlich etwas untertrieben: Im Vergleich nebeneinander gelegt, sind sie kaum zu unterscheiden. Schalter mit Scherenmechanik, Tastenkappen ... Um die neuen Tasten herum ist etwas weniger Platz und Experten werden diese rekonfigurierten Pfeiltasten feiern, aber alles andere sieht fast identisch aus.

    • Eilmeldung: Auf diesen neuen Schaltern gibt es nicht einmal eine staubschützende Membran. Wir tendieren dazu, das für ein gutes Zeichen zu halten. (Das heißt nämlich, dass wir bei Teardowns endlich Doritos essen können.)

    • Um den Vergleich noch etwas abzurunden, hier ist ein drittes Bild vom kontroversen (und notorisch launischen) "Butterfly"-Schalter im 15" MacBook Pro, das erst vor wenigen Monaten auf den Markt kam.

    • Aber warum sollten wir hier aufhören? Hier ist auch noch der Schalter mit Scherenmechanik im "Unibody" 2012 MacBook Pro Design ...

    • ... und der mit Scherenmechanik in Apples letztem Laptop mit einer "guten" Tastatur, dem 2015 MacBook Pro mit Retina Display.

    Its hard to follow which bullet point is related to which picture.

    Gouthaman Raveendran - Reply

    You meant “there's even” and not “there's not even “ right?

    kabir - Reply

  4. Was befindet sich unter dem Scherenmechanismus? He, wir stellen hier die Fragen, du nimmst dieses Teil auseinander. Moment, ne, andersrum. Hier sehen wir das "von Apple entwickelte Rubber Dome, das mehr potenzielle Energie für einen schnelleren Tastendruck speichert."
    • Was befindet sich unter dem Scherenmechanismus? He, wir stellen hier die Fragen, du nimmst dieses Teil auseinander.

    • Moment, ne, andersrum.

    • Hier sehen wir das "von Apple entwickelte Rubber Dome, das mehr potenzielle Energie für einen schnelleren Tastendruck speichert."

    • Darunter befindet sich ein Modul für die Hintergrundbeleuchtung mit einem interessanten Muster - mehr dazu später.

    • Und um all das herum ist eine dünne schwarze Dichtung, wahrscheinlich, damit keine Helligkeit an den Kanten der Tasten herausleuchtet.

    • Wieder verglichen mit dem Desktop Magic Keyboard:

    • Die beiden Scherenmechanismen sehen fast identisch aus. Der alte Magic Scherenmechanismus ist einen Hauch dicker (1,6 vs 1,38 mm)

    • 0,22 mm sieht vielleicht nicht nach viel aus, aber in der Neufassung dieser schlanken, neuen Scheren-Tasten steckt viel Ingenieursarbeit.

    What happen if we use desktop magic keyboard scissor mechanism(the thicker one) in Macbook Pro keyboard ?

    Friday - Reply

  5. Trotz der unterschiedlichen Dicke sehen sich diese Tastaturen so ähnlich, dass wir versucht sind, schwarze Magie mit weißer zu mischen, um zu sehen, was passiert ... "Himmlischer Chorgesang" Die Schöpfung von Magie
    • Trotz der unterschiedlichen Dicke sehen sich diese Tastaturen so ähnlich, dass wir versucht sind, schwarze Magie mit weißer zu mischen, um zu sehen, was passiert ...

    • "Himmlischer Chorgesang" Die Schöpfung von Magie

    • Ja, was ihr hier seht, ist eine weiße 2015 Magic Keyboard Tastenkappe auf einer 16" MacBook Pro Tastatur mit Scherenmechanik. Und es funktioniert!

    • Die alte Magic Command Taste ist kleiner (daher der große Abstand um die Taste herum) und dicker als die neue.

    • Nicht jede einzelne Taste ist substituierbar und die alten Magic Tasten haben keine durchsichtige Beschriftung für die Hintergrundbeleuchtung. Freut euch also nicht zu früh, ihr Tastatur-Modder.

    Let’s start Modding of Macbook Pro :)

    Pavel - Reply

  6. Wir sind fertig damit, an der Tastatur herumzustochern (wenigstens im Moment), jetzt heben wir den Deckel ab, um einen Blick ins Innere zu werfen. Apple hat uns schon in einem GIF bei ihrer Pressemitteilung diese verärgerte Eule gezeigt, aber was wir noch nicht gesehen haben, sind hochenergetische Röntgenstrahlen, die durch die Eule gehen, und uns zeigen, was sich hinter ihrem frustrierten Äußeren verbirgt. Die Röntgenstrahl verärgern sie noch mehr! Los, rennt! Zum Glück nehmen unsere Freunde bei Creative Electron hier alle Risiken auf sich, wir machen mit der Demontage weiter, sobald sich die Dinge ein bisschen beruhigt haben.
    • Wir sind fertig damit, an der Tastatur herumzustochern (wenigstens im Moment), jetzt heben wir den Deckel ab, um einen Blick ins Innere zu werfen.

    • Apple hat uns schon in einem GIF bei ihrer Pressemitteilung diese verärgerte Eule gezeigt, aber was wir noch nicht gesehen haben, sind hochenergetische Röntgenstrahlen, die durch die Eule gehen, und uns zeigen, was sich hinter ihrem frustrierten Äußeren verbirgt.

    • Die Röntgenstrahl verärgern sie noch mehr! Los, rennt! Zum Glück nehmen unsere Freunde bei Creative Electron hier alle Risiken auf sich, wir machen mit der Demontage weiter, sobald sich die Dinge ein bisschen beruhigt haben.

    I’m still not clear on how exactly the keyboards are different - all the snark got in the way, but quite bemused by the ‘angry owl’!

    Kit - Reply

    The six screws on the bottom plate of the MacBook Pro 16 are Pentalobe P5 type.

    Greg Conquest - Reply

    The six screws on the bottom plate of the MacBook Pro 16 are Pentalobe P5 type. The two near the hinge are longer, about 7mm. The other four are about 3.5mm long. After removing these screws, though, the plate does not come off. Are there more screws under the rubber feet?

    Greg Conquest -

    You lift off the front of the bottom panel and pull forward. The back edge near the hinge has a series of prongs that slide out forward for removal, and backwards until you hear/feel a snap/click sound for reinstallation.

    Dice Yamaguchi - Reply

    • Torx Schrauben, Schmorx Schrauben, unser Marlin Schraubendreher-Set wird mit allem fertig. (Obwohl, wenn wir so darüber nachdenken, müssen wir noch eine Verwendung für die Schmorx-Bits finden.)

    • Selbst wenn der Computer geöffnet ist, stehen wir vor einem weiteren Rätsel, einem maskierten MacBook! Bist du das, Bruce?

    • Apple preist beim Wärmedesign dieses MacBook Pro wichtige Fortschritte an, und sagt, dass dieser Kühlkörper 35 Prozent größer ist. (Wir hätten eher 34 geraten, aber glauben wir ihnen einfach mal.)

    • Wir haben auch etwas verbesserte Hardware gefunden, die das, was wir für die neuen schnellen GDDR6 Chips halten, bedecken: eine Kupferplatte und ein paar Wärmepads aus Aluminium.

    The photo in the linked Marlin screwdriver set is of four Phillips and one flathead driver, rather than the described pentalobes, torx and tri-point?

    Feanor - Reply

    Thanks for the catch! We’re working on fixing the incorrect image.

    Arthur Shi -

    Shouldn't the thermal paste cover more of the CPU heatspreader, or is that a normal amount?

    cgjovag - Reply

  7. Diese Logic Boards sehen für uns immer aus wie Schnurrbärte, gehen wir also mit diesem anthropomorphen Vergleich sehr sehr weit und kämmen wir durch die Barthaare. Folgendes bleibt an unserem Kamm hängen: Intel Core i7-9750H 6-Kern Prozessor der 9. Generation
    • Diese Logic Boards sehen für uns immer aus wie Schnurrbärte, gehen wir also mit diesem anthropomorphen Vergleich sehr sehr weit und kämmen wir durch die Barthaare. Folgendes bleibt an unserem Kamm hängen:

    • Intel Core i7-9750H 6-Kern Prozessor der 9. Generation

    • 16x Micron MT40A1G8SA-075 8 Gb DDR4 SDRAM (insgesamt 16 GB)

    • AMD Radeon Pro 5300M mobile GPU

    • 4x Samsung K4Z80325BC-HC14 8 Gb GDDR6 RAM (insgesamt 4 GB)

    • Toshiba TSB4227VE8434CHNA11926 und TSB4227VE8437CHNA11926 Flash-Speicher (insgesamt 512 GB)

    • Apple T2 APL1027 339S00536 Coprozessor

    • Intel JHL7540 Thunderbolt 3 Controller

    Five (5) NAND packages… Doesn’t that strike anyone else as odd? How does that possibly work out to 512 GB?

    repoman27 - Reply

    Same question here. One for redundancy? Want to know how 1T,2T,4T,8T organized.

    Walter - Reply

    For the GDDR RAM, you say “8Gb” and then “4GB total”…can you clarify that notation? Is there 4GB of GDDR in the machine, or 8? If onul y 4, then what does the “8Gb” refer to?

    dontinw - Reply

    8Gb is the capacity for single GDDR6 chip. There are four 8Gb GDDR6 chips. Total video memory capacity is 32Gb(4GB).

    JJ Wu -

    @dontinw: 8Gb is 8 gigabit (how memory and flash manufacturers specify chip capacities). 8 bits to a byte, so 8Gb = 1GB (capital B). So 4 x 8Gb chips for a total of 4GB GDDR6 RAM.

    Colin Ng - Reply

    @repoman27 @Walter Five flash chips is a little odd, but flash chips are made in odd sizes. The 2018 Retina MacBook Air had three flash chips at 43 GB each for a total of 129 GB, sold as 128. This was also the reason for its weird 1.5 TB max capacity. The 2019 refresh dropped to two chips.

    My bet is 103 GB flash chips are a little bit cheaper per gigabyte than 128 GB. 1 TB and up will probably be eight chips.

    Zimmie - Reply

    Can the hard disks be easily upgraded?

    L Tan - Reply

    Is this “Apple T2 APL1027 339S00536 coprocessor “ there to protect boards from 3rd party and unauthorized repairs?

    Babak - Reply

    Ostensibly no. It’s a hardware encryption co-processor. It allows for much higher speeds while maintaining very high levels of encryption.

    It also integrates many extra functions. It replaces many of the discrete components into a single black box as well.

    System Management Controller, image signal processor, audio controller, and SSD controller

    Taken from https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208862

    It also is the core of Touch ID and all of the secure boot and encrypted storage functions.

    However there are concerns that this may become the fact. As this is the SMC (System Management Controller) it could be used to track the serial numbers or other applicable identifiers to make sure that no component is replaced without an AASP resetting the coding.

    This is only a concern but with apple and the iphone error 53 fiasco we know they obviously have no qualms screwing over their customers to prevent 3rd party repairs.

    Grant Spedding -

    Where is the Soundchip / DAC?

    Edit: Sorry, next Step. maybe the Renesas 225101C

    Ballerjockel - Reply

    What DAC and amplifier are there?

    djmultik -

    i started using Macs Fan Control to control heating and the app takes advantage of controlling the two fans independently. What is the orientation of the logic board. Are we looking at it here as if you were facing the laptop with the screen open? I’d like to know which components are closest to which fan, R or L. Thanks.

    smithereens - Reply

    Hey smithereens! The orientation of the Logic board in the first photo is the same as its orientation in the computer when working on it face-up, meaning it’s flipped horizontally from what it would be when you are using it—L is R and R is L. Hope this helps, it’s a bit hard to describe with words! If you want you can go back and look at the photos above this step (while the board is still in the laptop) and map it out the orientation in your mind based on visible ICs on the board.

    Taylor Dixon -

    Where is the SPI flash rom?

    abductedaliens - Reply

    Is there any way to get access to the hard drive to backup the information if the logic board isnt working?

    David García - Reply

    Hi David.

    Difficult question.

    In some cases if the board dies the data dies with it.

    In others it can be connected to another machine to recover the data.

    In others it can be but needs board repairs (apple does not offer this so 3rd party only and bye bye warranty)

    Best case would be to ensure an up to date backup is kept and keep nothing mission critical on the machine

    Grant Spedding -

  8. Wir kämmen weiter nach Silizium. Silizium kommt in Sand vor. Haben wir das bisher völlig falsch gemacht? Intel SR40F Platform Controller Hub
    • Wir kämmen weiter nach Silizium. Silizium kommt in Sand vor. Haben wir das bisher völlig falsch gemacht?

    • Intel SR40F Platform Controller Hub

    • Texas Instruments CD3217B12 (wahrscheinlich Leistungs-Controller)

    • 338S00267-A0 (wahrscheinlich eine Apple PMIC)

    • Texas Instruments TPS51980B Leistungs-Controller

    • 339S00610 (wahrscheinlich ein Apple Wi-Fi/Bluetooth Modul)

    • Intersil 6277 PWM Modulator

    • Renesas 225101C

    It’s a pretty minor bit of silicon, but I also spy an NXP CBTL06142 DisplayPort 1.2 switch in between the CPU and GPU, likely for switching between integrated and discrete graphics for the built in display panel. This one is marked 6142E, but several previous iFixit Mac teardowns have revealed either the 6142F variant, or the Diodes Incorporated (Pericom) equivalent PI3WVR12612. For instance, the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar has a pair of these to share the two display outputs from the integrated GPU with both Thunderbolt 3 controllers.

    And is the Intel QMS380 chipset custom for Apple or does this appear elsewhere? It’s tiny compared to the normal PCH package.

    repoman27 - Reply

    You have listed a WiFi/Bluetooth module there. I can’t it’s location marked on the board. Can you tell me if it is a fixed module solded to the board. I only ask as Apple has again not gone the full Monty and only put in an AC spec wifi module when they have included the AX spec in the new phones.

    Michael Rapkins - Reply

    I can’t tell which component is the Apple 339S00610 WiFi/Bluetooth module in that illustration. Is it still on an m.2 card, or has it been soldered to the motherboard now?

    Bryce Glover - Reply

    @ Michaek Rapkins & Bryce Glover: It’s the silver component circled in light blue in the second image. It’s a Broadcom based combo SiP module from Universal Scientific Industrial (USI), and it’s soldered to the logic board.

    repoman27 -

  9. Das Motherboard ist ausgebaut, jetzt können wir einen Blick auf das restliche verbesserte Wärmedesign werfen. Wenn man das neue MacBook Pro auf seinen nur wenig älteren Bruder (das 15 Zoll 2019 Modell) legt, ist zu sehen, dass es über auffallend größere Lüftungsöffnungen verfügt. Zusammen mit diesen neuen Lüftern, die größere Laufradflügel haben, führt das dazu, dass 28% mehr Luft durch den neuen Pro gepustet werden.
    • Das Motherboard ist ausgebaut, jetzt können wir einen Blick auf das restliche verbesserte Wärmedesign werfen.

    • Wenn man das neue MacBook Pro auf seinen nur wenig älteren Bruder (das 15 Zoll 2019 Modell) legt, ist zu sehen, dass es über auffallend größere Lüftungsöffnungen verfügt.

    • Zusammen mit diesen neuen Lüftern, die größere Laufradflügel haben, führt das dazu, dass 28% mehr Luft durch den neuen Pro gepustet werden.

    • Das klingt wie eine Menge heiße Luft, aber alle diese coolen Verbesserungen sollen es diesem 16" Pro angeblichen ermöglichen, bis zu 12 Watt mehr bei intensiver Arbeitsbelastung auszuhalten als das vorherige Design.

    The dancing indie video game creatures are adorable!

    Kent Jenkins - Reply

  10. Langsam lösen wir die Tastatur-Hintergrundbeleuchtung ab, in der Hoffnung, darunter etwas Magie zu finden. Die Hintergrundbeleuchtungs-Baugruppe beinhaltet einen flexiblen Diffusor, der Licht von LEDs an den Kanten verteilt. Flexible Diffusoren sind gängig, aber dieser hier scheint über eine besondere Ätzung zu verfügen, möglicherweise, um Helligkeit und Gleichmässigkeit zu optimieren. Unter der Hintergrundbeleuchtung entdecken wir ein paar Pentalobe P2 Schrauben an den Kanten des metallenen Tastaturrahmens. Was kann das sein? Können wir dieses Ding  auseinanderschrauben, um eine defekte Taste nach einem Tippmarathon mit krümeligen Doritos auszutauschen?
    • Langsam lösen wir die Tastatur-Hintergrundbeleuchtung ab, in der Hoffnung, darunter etwas Magie zu finden.

    • Die Hintergrundbeleuchtungs-Baugruppe beinhaltet einen flexiblen Diffusor, der Licht von LEDs an den Kanten verteilt. Flexible Diffusoren sind gängig, aber dieser hier scheint über eine besondere Ätzung zu verfügen, möglicherweise, um Helligkeit und Gleichmässigkeit zu optimieren.

    • Unter der Hintergrundbeleuchtung entdecken wir ein paar Pentalobe P2 Schrauben an den Kanten des metallenen Tastaturrahmens. Was kann das sein? Können wir dieses Ding auseinanderschrauben, um eine defekte Taste nach einem Tippmarathon mit krümeligen Doritos auszutauschen?

    • Neeeeeein! Wieder einmal ist die Tastatur-Baugruppe festgenietet. Obwohl die Schalter wahrscheinlich weniger anfällig für krümelige Angreifer sind, ist die Tastatur nicht reparierbarer als die Butterfly-Tastaturen.

    • Im Grunde genommen ist es wieder wie 2016: Wir haben eine neue Tastatur mit einem nicht-reparierbaren Design, und nur Apples Zusage, dass sie "nicht kaputt gehen wird". Und diese Tastatur hier ist nicht einmal im Serviceprogramm für Tastaturen, also ... : /

    • Der einzige Hoffnungsschimmer ist die Tatsache, dass dieses neue Tastaturdesign früheren Apple Tastaturen extrem ähnlich ist, und diese hatten ja meistens langfristig gehalten.

    • Da wir die Tastatur nicht einfach so stehen lassen wollen, zerlegen wir sie so weit wie möglich, um herauszufinden, wie sie klickt. Wir werden mit einem Blick auf die flexible PCB Schicht belohnt, die zwischen der Taste und der metallenen Rückplatte eingezwängt ist, da wo der Knopfdruck passiert ... aber es ist keinerlei Magie in Sicht.

    Apple keyboards are notoriously prone to liquid damage. Would have been nice with screws.

    Matthias - Reply

    “Apple keyboards are notoriously prone to liquid damage. Would have been nice with screws.”

    No, Apple doesn’t like its products repairable. Reparability means recyclability means less profit for Apple.

    Harry - Reply

    is the backlight glued ?

    Ale - Reply

    my keyboard is not working even after I replace the logic board purchased from apple twice. and keyboard I replaced Chinese copy is there any sensor or terminal command that help keyboard detecting after main logic board replaced.

    Atif Ali - Reply

  11. Alle unsere Tastatur-Fragen sind beantwortet, jetzt können wir uns den restlichen Teilen zuwenden, die noch herumliegen. Als erstes sind die schicken neuen XL Ohrhörer Lautsprecher mit einem erweiterten Gehäuse und gegenüberliegenden Tieftönern oben und unten an der Reihe. Die gegenüberliegenden Tieftöner sollen gegenseitig ihre Vibrationen aufheben. So ein bisschen wie das Lärmschutz-Feature in den neuen AirPods Pro, aber ... mit Bass. Bass-Schutz?
    • Alle unsere Tastatur-Fragen sind beantwortet, jetzt können wir uns den restlichen Teilen zuwenden, die noch herumliegen.

    • Als erstes sind die schicken neuen XL Ohrhörer Lautsprecher mit einem erweiterten Gehäuse und gegenüberliegenden Tieftönern oben und unten an der Reihe.

    • Die gegenüberliegenden Tieftöner sollen gegenseitig ihre Vibrationen aufheben. So ein bisschen wie das Lärmschutz-Feature in den neuen AirPods Pro, aber ... mit Bass. Bass-Schutz?

    • Uns ist nicht ganz klar, was das verlängerte Gehäuse soll, aber wir nehmen an, dass die neue Form den Ton umleitet, um seine Qualität zu verbessern. Vielleicht war mehr Volumen nötig, um Platz für den zweiten Tieftöner zu schaffen?

    • Als nächstes kommt ein weiteres Sound-Upgrade: eine leistungsstarke dreifach-Mikrofon-Anordnung. Sie sieht ähnlich wie die im MacBook Air von 2018 aus, ist aber etwas massiver, was heißen könnte, dass die Mikrofone qualitativ hochwertiger sind.

    • Und zum Schluss das Lithium Kraftwerk, dass wahrscheinlich misstrauische Blicke von der FAA auf sich zieht: der 99,8 Wh Akku von Apple (11,36 V, 8790 mAh).

    • Das ist der größte Akku, den wir je in einem MacBook gesehen haben. 4,8 Wh mehr als im 17" MacBook Pro und heftige 16,2 Wh mehr als im letzten 15" MacBook Pro.

    • Woher kommt die extra Leistung? Apple hat hier das gleiche wie im iPhone 11 gemacht: Jede Akkuzelle sieht zwar identisch wie ihr Vorgänger aus, ist aber durchschnittlich 0,8 mm dicker.

    The battery is only .3 Wh larger than the 2015 MBP 15”, though, which has a 99.5Wh battery: https://support.apple.com/kb/sp719?local... So you would probably be better off mentioning that than the 17” macbook pro, which is almost a decade old at this point.

    steven - Reply

    The speaker enclosures are mostly to eat the sound which would otherwise radiate from the back of the driver. A free-floating electromagnetic speaker radiates from both sides of the membrane, but 180º out of phase, and the resulting audio interferes with itself in complicated ways. By having one face radiate into an enclosure, you get less self-interference. The problem is enclosures contain air, radiating sound into them compresses that air, and air doesn’t want to be compressed. A larger enclosure presents less resistance to the driver’s movement. Odd shapes don’t help quite as much as regular shapes, but the added volume is still beneficial.

    Zimmie - Reply

  12. Teardown Update: Was macht denn dieses kleine Flachbandkabel hier? Vorher ist es uns nicht aufgefallen, aber  MacRumors hat neugierig bei uns angefragt. Um dies genauer zu untersuchen, mussten wir das Display ganz entfernen.  Dann konnten wir einen neuen, auf das linke Displayscharnier gerichteten Sensor, und einen im Scharnier eingelassenen Magneten finden. Der Pfeil auf dem Magnet zeigt die Richtung/Polarität an und dreht sich sich synchron mit dem Display. Sieht so aus, als ob Apple einen Öffnungswinkelsensor eingebaut hat . Wofür wird der gebraucht? Werden dadurch coole neue Features in  macOS möglich?
    • Teardown Update: Was macht denn dieses kleine Flachbandkabel hier? Vorher ist es uns nicht aufgefallen, aber MacRumors hat neugierig bei uns angefragt.

    • Um dies genauer zu untersuchen, mussten wir das Display ganz entfernen. Dann konnten wir einen neuen, auf das linke Displayscharnier gerichteten Sensor, und einen im Scharnier eingelassenen Magneten finden. Der Pfeil auf dem Magnet zeigt die Richtung/Polarität an und dreht sich sich synchron mit dem Display.

    • Sieht so aus, als ob Apple einen Öffnungswinkelsensor eingebaut hat . Wofür wird der gebraucht? Werden dadurch coole neue Features in macOS möglich?

    • Möglich. Könnte aber auch sein, dass Apple damit sehr clever im Reparaturfall feststellen kann, wie das Gerät vorher behandelt worden ist. Zum Beispiel könnte Apple dann bei brüchig gewordenen Displaykabeln feststellen, wie weit und wie oft das Display geöffnet worden ist.

    • MacRumors hat sich noch ein bisschen mehr umgehört und herausgefunden, dass Apple vorschreibt, diesen Sensor nach jeder Reparatur neu einzustellen. Was glaubst du, wofür das gut ist?

    Is it possible this is an environmental source of randomness (for encryption)?

    Joseph - Reply

    I wonder if they doing some HRTF audio tricks and bouncing sound off the display, it does have amazing stereo imaging. The sensor may allow them to calculate the screen angle and adjust output. I suppose it could be used to improve the mic noise cancelling with the same info, calculating delay/distance to the reflected sound off the display

    mail - Reply

    Its still a Hall sensor! In this case is a radial sensor so the rotation is sensed. The 2019 used two edge sensors just in front of the USB ports (L&R) to sense the lifting of the lid. The only thing I can think of is if you are using an external display with a BT/USB keyboard/mouse/trackpad the lid could be placed at an angle so the speakers can broadcast outwards. The three microphones could even be used to measure the reflectance, similar to the HomePod.

    Dan - Reply

    Apple wants this little sensor calibrated after repairs.

    I hope they don't use this as another way to curtail repair (think iPhone XS battery). I can see it now:

    Cannot adjust brightness. Please visit AASP for calibration.

    Patrick Lienau - Reply

    Not really a tech, but could it be used to detect clamshell mode for some reason?

    kevinharter - Reply

    I would guess that with six speakers, two fans and a haptic touchpad, they were running out of spots to place the pair of a magnet and hall effect sensor where they wouldn’t get cross-talk from other magnets. Sticking the pair right on the hinge and measuring rotation makes sense in that there was probably less competition for space there. The tradeoff is the need to calibrate the hall effect response rather than doing a more naive binary threshold.

    Nirav Patel - Reply

    This is a welcome improvement over the old, too sensitive sleep sense arrangement. This will prevent the machine from waking when the display is barely lifted from park and will also eliminate waking if a key is depressed when the display is closed - which can easily occur since the display rests just 0.40 mm above the keys when folded. Noticed this immediately while qualifying RadTech’s ScreenSavrz for this machine.

    John Grzeskowiak - Reply

    if combined with time and logged a complete lid-position history. will be created, which could be used for research purposes. Info about typical viewing angle could be a subject. However, so fare John Grzeskowiak’s comment is my favourite for the correct answer.

    bjoern holst jespersen - Reply

    Agreeing with John, this would just seem to be a replacement for the old laptop close sensor.

    It would need to be recalibrated after repairs because a hall effect sensor and magnet pair form a vary… analog… arrangement. That is, while the values should be very repeatable in ‘static’ arrangement, as soon as things get jostled about, the values could jump quite significantly from pre-jostled ones.

    Eric Merrill - Reply

    Eek. I can smell what they are planning on doing, and not in a good way.

    But how cool is a lid-angle measuring device? Pretty cool if you ask me…

    If you think a magnetic closing lid is to disrupt microphones, think again. Most lids now more or less have magnetic-assisted closing motion, anyway.

    Xavier Jiang - Reply

    I can see it as a way to replace the old “lid closed” sensor. Especially if you wear an Apple watch with a magnetic clasp. I’ve had a MacBook Pros go to sleep while I was using it because the band I had on was using a magnetic clasp, trigging a false lid closed.

    tech - Reply

  13. Unsere Gedanken zu diesem neuen MacBook Pro, das hier so schön zerlegt liegt:
    • Unsere Gedanken zu diesem neuen MacBook Pro, das hier so schön zerlegt liegt:

    • Obwohl der schicke, neue, alte Scherenmechanismus wahrscheinlich länger hält als der empfindliche Butterfly-Mechanismus, ist die ganze Tastatur-Baugruppe immer noch festgenietet.

    • Das umgestaltete Wärmesystem ist eine willkommene Verbesserung zur berüchtigten Pro Linie, mit ihrem Problem der Überhitzung und Drosselung.

    • Der 99,8 Wh Akku fliegt gerade so unter dem FAA Radar, mit 16,2 Wh mehr Leistung als das neueste 15" Modell. Dafür, dass das Gehäuse nur geringfügig größer ist, ist dieser Leistungsanstieg überraschend.

    • Trotz der dröhnenden neuen Lautsprecher, der Mikrofonanordnung mit Podcast- Qualität und dem riesigen Bildschirm, haben wir das Gefühl, Apple hätte es besser machen können, vor allem nachdem Microsoft es mit echter Ingenieursmagie geschafft hat, seine letzten Laptops reparierbarer zu machen. Hoffen wir auf eine atemberaubende Pro Reihe in 2020.

    • Das einzige, was uns im Moment noch zu tun bleibt, ist, diesem Teil eine Bewertung zu geben.

  14. Final Thoughts
    • Das Trackpad kann immer noch ohne große Schwierigkeiten ausgebaut und ersetzt werden.
    • Kleinere Komponenten sind modular, aber der Prozessor, RAM und der Flash-Speicher sind am Logic Board festgelötet.
    • Die Tastatur, der Akku, die Lautsprecher und die Touch Bar sind mit Kleber und/oder Nieten befestigt, was die Reparatur dieser Komponenten verkompliziert.
    • Der Touch ID Sensor ist gleichzeitig die Einschalttaste und ist mit dem Logic Board verriegelt, was Reparaturen sehr schwierig macht.
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almost no repair choices even though its a “pro” device

Gage - Reply

What does being a “pro” device have to do with high repairability? “Pro” (itself more of a marketing term than a technical one) covers a proud range of areas. My sister is a pro graphic designer. She can do amazing things with illustrator or photoshop. She couldn’t tell you the next thing about processors or keyboard switches. For her the “pro” is what she can get done, not whether or not she can pop open the case. I’d be willing to lay odds thats true for a lot of people.

Repairability and pro are not connected. Some people value the former, some the later, some both, some neither.

kreutz -

In response to kreutz.

Hypothetical:

The Pro Graphic Designer is working on a commission that has taken several weeks. She has completed another days worth of work while out and about (the main point of a laptop, portability) someone drops liquid into the unit and it fails.

She could just redo the hours of work she just lost after her last backup (assuming she is someone who backs up religiously), however her deadline is tomorrow morning.

If she is using a true pro device she could drop by a computer repair place. Have them remove the SSD and recover the data. (in the macbook pro the SSD is soldered and even if it wasn’t the T2 chip prevents an external computer from reading it). If she is using the “PRO” device that apple sells she is $@$* out of luck and has to pull an all nighter to redo the work or loose the commission and be out all of the work she has done.

The ability to respond to unexpected situations damage, moisture, internal failure or design fault is what should set a PRO device apart.

Grant Spedding -

@grantspedding The T2 does not prevent an external computer from reading the SSD. It is connected to one of the USB-C ports. There is a tool you can connect which will boot the T2 in DFU mode, prompt for the user’s password, tell the T2 to load the SSD, then dump all the data to an external drive.

Though I seriously wonder what professional would use a machine with no backups of in-flight work. Especially when it’s a Mac, and every macOS since 10.5 in 2007 has included Time Machine.

Zimmie -

For those suggesting that the moniker PRO doesn’t need to mean ‘repairable’, ‘accessible’, ‘non-complicated’, just consider any other PRO industry who relies hugely on repairability and the ability to get inside their devices / tools / instruments to keep them going as long as possible. A music producer wouldn’t throw away a 50 channel recording deck because 2 channels failed one day. A musician wouldn’t put their guitar in the dump because a machine head broke, $10 would get that musician back on stage again. A chef that finds their knife no longer sharp doesn’t look for the bin and a wholesale knife catalogue to buy a new one, they get a hone, or a stone and in 10 minutes their knife is possibly as good as new.

Apple have chosen this route for us and all to shave a few millimetres and grammes off laptops that Pro’s need to have as functional as possible. The moniker PRO is assumed to not only be top quality but top at saving the day when $@$* hits the fan and these machines are no longer that.

John Ward -

Between work I’ve done at an advertising agency, and a free lance photographer; you’d be amazed how many people market themselves as "Pros” but don’t have any backup of their work. Or they have a single external HDD which has all their work and accept that as their backup because time machine is running on it. The idea of “PRO” here is its Apple’s highest end laptop, and people can feel like calling themselves “pro” is justified. This has nothing to do with sensible backup strategies or thinking ahead to the what if scenario of a computer failure.

Gouthaman Raveendran -

@zimmie So if the motherboard fails completely. ie when a mac gets a whiff of moisture in the air (hyperbole obviously) and the main board craps out and cannot enter DFU mode. What then?

Grant Spedding -

@kreutz Additionally I would agree that the PRO moniker is massively overused/misused however all of Apple’s marketing really emphasizes specifically pro use.

As you said

“Repairability and pro are not connected. Some people value the former, some the later, some both, some neither.”

I would argue however that the pro you are referring to is a marketing gimmick just like “Mitsubishi Heavy Industries” in reference to normal domestic air conditioners. It has no right to claim the “Pro” moniker just as the air con has no right to claim “Heavy Industries”. So the people valuing PRO are quite literally valuing an empty marketing promise over something that could save their business when something goes wrong.

Grant Spedding -

@grantspedding You CAN do that, but not always. For example, recovering data after damaging the laptop would be much harder since everything is encrypted. If the T2 chip is damaged in some way (by water, for example), then all of the data on there is unrecoverable.

Ethan Zuo -

@ethanzuo

The T2 chip is separate to my issues with this unit. Yes (very) theoretically you could recover from a damaged board. If you look at a comment above by Phillip Hue this requires several things including an intact T2 Chip and power rails to supply power.

However my big problem is the use of an ssd soldered to the motherboard. With a removable ssd it is possible to recover data even if the rest of the board has literal holes in it, components completely corroded off the board or if the USB-C ports are damaged (as in the comment above by Phillip specifies that these are required). My problem is with the way that apple have chosen to have absolutely no replaceable parts.

1 Ram chip fails… That’s a motherboard

1 Ssd chip fails… That’s a motherboard

A USB-C socket fails… That’s a motherboard

The wifi module fails… That’s a motherboard

anything goes wrong… That’s a motherboard

It’s a wasteful and anti consumer decision that cannot be justified

Grant Spedding -

As a pro user, there’s definitely something to be said for repairability. However, as any pro should know, you never trust any one device or system completely. 99.9999% reliability still isn’t quite perfect, and I’ve experienced failures. That’s why I have backups. I NEVER rely on one storage medium. It’s much easier for me to quickly recover a file from Backblaze and work on another machine.. Price is also an important factor - it’s much less costly for me to quickly download a file and get back to work on a backup computer and FedEx my laptop to get repaired under warranty than it is to take time out of my day, pay out of pocket, and wait for a repair shop to recover my data. SSDs fail too, and being able to remove an SSD doesn’t do me much good if it’s what’s broken. Most of us work from servers or external drives regardless. Repairability matters, but my camera bag is already heavier than I’d like - if I have to sacrifice repairability for my back health, I’ll take it

Ashley Ryan -

well well. like 30 years of PRO models by every single other manufacturer.. well including apple till 2015, including Mac Pro. one of the best examples is HP Probook. it is clearly designed to be serviceable, you can swap the hard drive with 2 screws, you can clean fans, you can replace keyboard, etc. PRO means that you do not need to buy a new one as soon as you drop a few drops of liquid.

inwerp -

I can totally agree that a device’s performance is not affected by its repairability. But while you think that your device’s repairability has nothing to do with you, as you are not a professional repairer, the repairability of the device is very important when you run into a hardware issue. For example, a Thunderbolt 3 port on your MacBook is not working due to a malfunction of the Intel JHL Controller, that’s a motherboard right there, equivalent to nearly 2000 bucks, unless the repairer can perform micro soldering (Apple won’t do that). And who’s paying that fee? You, of course. Your screen cracks, another couple hundred bucks. Your keyboard breaks, no coverage program, bam, more money spent. In the end, you are suffering too. Apple’s gimmick is that they make things so unrepairable that your repairing fee is basically the same as buying another device (a tad bit cheaper), or that they simply don’t repair, so you are forced to buy more devices, and the more you buy, the more money Apple makes out of you.

KillerLab 233 -

I had my SSD cable broken last day, took out my SSD and connected it via USB, continued working until my new cable arrives in 3 three days. I do not have another laptop or PC. Being a pro does not mean you have multitudes of everything but being able to find quick solutions on the go. Now we can not do this with the new MacBook ‘pro’ . I upgraded my MacBook Pro (mid-2012) with an ssd and extended its life, but no more, now it is old and should get a new one. Stuck!

Deniz Ozut -

oh boy…why even allow it to be opened in the first place? rivets and glue just make this design worse.. I think you need to have a negative number for your review system- thx for the work on busting open these devices.

MND DESIGN - Reply

i wish they would just allow the batteries to be easily replaced at the very minimum

jamieexeter - Reply

Step 8. It says “Toshiba TSB4227VE8434CHNA11926 and TSB4227VE8437CHNA11926 flash storage (512 GB total)”.

Does it mean that it has two SSD sticks? RAID? Thanks!

Peter Gamble - Reply

Just two NAND modules, one controller, so not RAID

nitesh singh -

Individual LEDs under each key cap are gone. Guess it can’t all be wins, I did like how much more precise the light was without bleeding out around it. Does the new one have more light bleed then?

nitesh singh - Reply

Thanks for the teardown! Did they fix the fragile display cable? Or is that still bound to break?

Felix - Reply

Hey Felix! It’s hard to say for sure whether they’ve totally fixed it, but last year they adjusted the length of the cables in question and as far as I know, those machines have yet to experience any display or backlight issues directly related to those cables. The 16” Pro’s display cables are still precariously placed and built into the display, but like the “improved” Pros of last year, they seem to have enough slack that they shouldn’t get stretched over the display controller board and short out over time.

Taylor Dixon -

Thanks Taylor!

Felix -

Men, I really hoped we would see replaceable RAM or SSD. I am still waiting out with a fully upgraded Macbook Pro 13 2012 non retina.

Guess I have a little longer to wait for a replacement. Nice to see the keyboard fixed though.

Peterdk - Reply

Same here :( but low tech is the futur … ^^;

snoid2 -

I’m dissapointed about flash memory. The flash memory is soldered!!!! :(

Estoy decepcionado sobre el almacenamiento flash. El almacenamiento flash está soldado!!!! :(

joerfrada - Reply

What’s the difference between TSB4227VE8434CHNA11926 and TSB4227VE8437CHNA11926 SSD?

Jay S - Reply

No mention of the soldered on flex cable between the display and the motherboard. Is that still the case with this model?

wiggin - Reply

Had the same question and got this very informative answer: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

Felix -

I’m not sure it’s technically correct to conclude that “the keyboard itself isn't any more repairable than the Butterfly boards” just because the keyboard assembly is riveted in place. The Butterfly keyboards were less repairable than Apple’s 2015 Scissor keyboards, which were also riveted in place.

The Butterfly keyboards didn’t allow you to remove/replace keycaps, so if debris got underneath the key, your only hope was to spray some compressed air around the edge of the key and hope for the best. The ability to remove a keycap, spray for debris, and then replace the keycap itself makes this keyboard at least a little more repairable. (The MacBook keyboard has never had replaceable keyswitches AFIAK.)

dan - Reply

This is a bummer. I should have waited until this release, before I bought mine. I really want the 32Gb. I was hoping to be able to upgrade it.

limegrntaln - Reply

At least batteries should be replaceable with removable stretch tape. If half the computer has to be thrown away to replace a keyboard or battery, this is not environmentally friendly.

Richard Burton - Reply

Hopefully Apple can apply the same improvements to the 13” to make it a 14” and change how batteries are attached to improve repair ability.

Richard Burton - Reply

UWB - Ultra Wide Band Chip anywhere?

Steffen Thieringer - Reply

Why does it weight 2x an LG gram? Would love to see you tear down one of those and compare the weight of each part

Gregg Tavares - Reply

Shame that people still buy these units. Soldered on everything is an absolute joke. What's even more comical is seeing all the articles come out commenting on the much improved keyboard. Does anyone even acknowledge the stupidity of that statement? It's a 2k-6k laptop and that's all the majority of people care about? Thank you for everything you do here, hopefully one day I'll be able to upgrade my 2011 17” mbp.

Mike M - Reply

You nailed it. A decent keyboard is kinda expected, right? Not to mention that the Apple has been trying to quietly kill the MacOS for a long time. It needs a complete overhaul. iOS on ARM processors is the future, right? Buying a Macbook Pro is more costly than the initial inflated (customer gouging) purchase price. Open up the wallet people!! $379 + service fees.

AppleCare+ for MacBook Air and MacBook Pro includes:

Three years (total) limited hardware warranty.

Three years (total) technical support.

Coverage for two incidents of accidental damage (subject to a service fee of $99 for screen damage or $299 for other damage)

Customer901428 -

What makes a PRO device PRO is not necessarily “upgradeability” (which is also true) but repairability and compatibility…

When you have a memory, storage or any component failure (battery, display, etc) and you have to change the whole unit (maybe at your own expense) this is not a PRO device, it’s just a very fancy consumer product.

When you have to change your peripherals (PRO expensive peripherals you have acquired through years) just because your new “PRO” computer has changed the connectors and forces you to buy converters, dongles and all kind of expensive $@$* just to connect your existing equipment to a computer from the same manufacturer, then you don’t have a PRO computer. Even if it does have “PRO” in the name.

When you are forced to buy new equipment every 2 or 3 years to keep pace with the always-changing technology, or just to cover repair costs, you are never capable of getting a return of investment. That’s not a PRO equipment.

esmuposible - Reply

I have been waiting for a fixed keyboard and 16 inch MacBook for a while. $@$*!& repairability, but it looks like I don’t have any other option other than buying it. Don’t want to go back to Windows, nor buying 2015 Macbook :(

Javanshir Alammadli - Reply

Apple uses recycled aluminum for their bottom line, not to protect the environment from unnecessary waste. If you can repair you own MacBook Pro, then you don’t need to pay the Apple tax. Apple is terrified of losing a revenue stream. State of California, where are your right to repair laws? Laws for everything else. What a joke! Say one thing, do the opposite. My Lenovo Thinkpad (repairable) is more enjoyable to use, and gives me access to Ubuntu and Windows 10. Gaming and a work covered. My use cases for Macbook Pro, web browsing, email, imessage, and photo editing. Is the Macbook Pro worth the cost for mainstream users, not really. “innovation” (or reverse “innovation”) is being celebrated. Basically, it works like this, Apple makes a design decision for you in a vacuum. Then, you have to wait years and years for Apple to admit the mistake (if they do) and reverse it. If you have to buy a Macbook Pro, get it used for half the cost and help the environment from less Apple waste.

Customer901428 - Reply

After nearly 8 years with my upgraded mid 2012 MacBook Pro Unibody, I decided it is time to get the 2019 16”.

With 4TB of SSD, 16gb ram and 2.7ghz Quad, there hasn’t been enough of a leap (or really a need) to get a new machine for my needs (lightroom, photoshop, indesign, illustrator). I’m uncomfortable with the all-soldered board - I’ve had 3 SSD failures on my current machine, but they were always an easy swap. Gone through 4 batteries as well.

With Ethernet, FW800, USB3, and ease of serviceability I believe this is one of the last truly Pro laptops from Apple. Unfortunately, quality parts are getting harder come by. The old keyboard needed to be replaced but is not as good as the original. Batteries from iFixit are failing much quicker than the Apple component. Cant even find a protective case for it these days.

I hope I can get the same amount of years out of the 2019 16”.

jason - Reply

Shameless laptop, MUCH overpriced, no PRO at all, Will past………… A JOKE AT BEST

maximinlida - Reply

@zimmie Youre actually wrong about the T2 part, specifically how it actually works. I work as an AASP technician, heres how it works. 1: it is not a tool, its a secondary macbook running apples Data Transfer Utility, which is part of the Mac Confoguration Utility Suite provided to us. 2: In order to *use* those utilities, you must have access to an AST2 account (https://diagnostics..apple.com) and be authorized to use that tool by whatever AASP you work for, or be authorized by apple for an apple store style job. 3: you must *also* have an active repair in apples GSX system (Global Service Exchange, gsx.apple.com) AND have the Logic Board (or replacement laptop) added to the repair itself. If no replacement board is added, then this utility tells you to f*ck off. 4: This tool 100% relies on the fact that T2, CD3215, USB-C port, NAND, and any relevant power rails and data lines are not dead or broken. If your T2 chip died, or a power fail on the board responsible for T2 dies, or NAND on the board dies, or any similar issues, youre f*cked. Plain and simple. You *have* to do board repait at that point to get it to a state where this actually works, assuming it isnt NAND , T2, or ISL9240 that killed itself. If these killed themselves then you have 0 chance of recovery since you cannot get these parts at all. Since you worded it as if any plain Jane can do it, youre intentionally making your argument invalid and youre also spreading misinformation about apples repair side and peoples ability as a consumer to actually practice recovering data form theirt dead macbooks.

Phillip Hue - Reply

If you can get the machine to boot into Thunderbolt Target mode and have another Mac available, you can recover your own data. And every SSD has the same issues if the controller, SDRAM cache if present, enough NAND dies / packages, or host interface cease to function. The additional complexity of the Mac logic board does mean there’s a lot more opportunity for things to go wrong though. But you’d also be surprised what professional data recovery services are capable of, even going back to the days of spinning disks. If you’re comfortable doing BGA rework in the first place, it’s not that big of a deal to transfer a known good PMIC from another logic board. And depending on the circumstances, the data recovery may be worth enough to the customer to pay for something like that.

repoman27 -

@repoman27 While you are correct that involved repairs that require specialized equipment and training IE BGA rework. can recover almost anything from a macbook in any condition. Have you ever checked the cost of having someone do BGA rework on a motherboard? And will Apple ever offer the service?

And failing that will Apple ever help 3rd parties to complete these type of repairs, ie supply the required parts and manuals?

If you watch some of Louis Rossmann’s videos regarding parts availability and the CBS special on taking a macbook with a simple fault that was immediately quoted the cost of the unit and with no data intact.

Apple could resolve this cheaply and simply by making the SSD removable and to use either a removable TPM or include the encryption method on the SSD to allow for it to be connected to another system for data recovery.

Grant Spedding -

I won’t buy a new computer unless it’s repairable and upgradable. Apple is very close to loosing my 35 year allegiance (and I have purchased dozens of Macs over that period). The Windows notebooks my employer furnishes are not as pretty but they are way more repairable and upgradable. Apple charges more and used to offer top quality and longevity in exchange. Their last 4 or 5 years have been a downward spiral in both “advantages” accelerated by a string of buggy OS releases.

gary - Reply

Pro is short for prostitute.

It just means that you get paid for doing it.

I expect a Pro device to be designed to minimise the chance of it needing repair.

Generally repairability is achieved at the expense of reliability.

Ifixit, great as they are, are biased on this topic as they make their money from device repairs. They have every motive to promote repairability over reliability.

Alex Bowden - Reply

Let’s park the name pro. This is a very expensive laptop. So it should work for 8 - 10 years. In order to do so, it must be possible to upgrade and repair. But it is not.

Besides, our earth is fragile and has limited resources. Repair helps the planet. But this fancy laptop can hardly be repaired.

Ooh Apple, why are you so money focussed in stead of creativity focussed? Where are all the new devices and creative designs that you used to make in the past? We only see more of the same: thinner, lighter, with better battery and with a subwoofer. But no new products at all. No new groundbreaking pro software either. Apple was fighting Big Blue/ The System back in the 80’s. I’ll guess Apple itself is now The System…

Danny - Reply

The bottom cover’s screws are still P5?

tong1774 - Reply

Correct! They are still P5.

Arthur Shi -

They COULD do better, but why would they?

Apple is the only company with their own wireless (no blame for delivering Airdrop), apple-branded SSD (what the heck), T2 “security chip”.

That have nothing to do with “Pro”. That said, “Pro” users most likely will modify their hardware to suit their needs (or swap out broken stuff to make it live longer) but as far as I know this is against Apple’s intentions.

Hey, they still use screws.

Xavier Jiang - Reply

10 points to Gryffindor for the Angry Face tear-down layout. Well played. As for the unit itself, I’m thrilled that they got so many of the crucial details right: massive RAM and SSD options (RAM reasonably priced, SSD…not so much), more battery, reliable heat dispersion, a keyboard we know works and feels right, and a small improvement in screen real-estate. I’m still on my original MBPr from 2013, and she’s still a workhorse. But the years are showing and it’s time to put her out to pasture. To those people who claim MacBooks are way overpriced, I counter with my nearly 7 year old MBPr and say, “$2,800 over 6 years is a pretty damned good ROI.” Hopefully, this new 16” will see 5-7 years as well.

I just wish Apple would bring back the glowing  and the boot-chime…C'est la vie

AniMill - Reply

960€ for additional 48GB ram, while one can get 64GB for 416€ (steepest price I could find) on the free market.

I wonder.. what kind of cool aid did you take to call Apple’s ram prices “reasonable “?

Ceyx -

Here’s another perspective on the “Pro” label. One might say, “who cares about ease of repairs if you’ve got a paid service plan like AppleCare…however they do it, it’ll get taken care of”. In the PC world, the business line of Dell’s laptops (“Latitude” labeled) are designed to be *very* repairable, especially compared to their lowest end products. How does this help the “pro” user? Pro’s who use their laptop every working second of the day really *hate* to part with it for long, especially if it is still mostly functional. It means that when someone has a broken keyboard, we can arrange for a company rep to visit on-site (This is included in the sub $200 service plan) and they’ll sit at our conference table and replace the keyboard in under an hour (their toolset consisting primarily of a few phillips head screwdrivers). Compare that to taking their MBP to the Apple Store and being told they’ll have it back in 2 days (or so).

davidw - Reply

Overpriced paperweights. That is all these things are. The very idea that Apple makes it so difficult, if not impossible to repair your system, or even perform some of the most basic types of upgrades that virtually every other manufacturer allows you to make, is just a huge middle finger to their customers. I’m not gonna drop $2,500 on something that I can’t repair if something happens or goes wrong. I will stick with my $800 - $1,200 Windows machines that I know I can repair if needed. My current $850 lappy is still going strong after about 5 years of heavy use, and shows no sign of slowing down.

And Alex Bowden, Apple is equally, if not MORE biased in making sure that you are forced to purchase more of their products as often as possible, and they do that by making their devices unable to be repaired, or even upgrade-able. (Really? You can’t even let us upgrade the SSD now?)

Ryan Clarke - Reply

I have to say the word “PRO” or Professional was or is an important factor in the ability to keep on going, or have the choice to make upgrades or any improvements along the way. As a person who has spent over 30 years in the “Pro” Audio recording business we have spent thousands of “Extra $” for the ability to repair, or upgrade as needed. And as quickly as possible! In the “Pro” markets, hardware, firmware and software upgrades are part of the deal. We anticipate the expected as well as the the unexpected. We do NOT spend tons of $ to “Use once, Then Throw Away “ I had considered buying the new 16” unit…. but now I shall pass after seeing what iFix-it has revealed to all of us “Pro” folks in the field. Another day, another dollar .

vic - Reply

And yet Apple still refused to cool the VRMs properly. Those things will throttle like !&&* under full load, throttling the CPU and GPU. Why couldn’t they just put a copper plate on that covers the CPU, GPU, VRMs, and GDDR6? If I pay this much for it, I better not have an incentive to break into it with a screwdriver and a pack of thermal pads!

Ethan Zuo - Reply

I don’t know how to put a thumbs up for definition of PRO for Grant Spedding & John Ward. Good jobs

Babak - Reply

What about the cable connecting the LCD to the logic board? With the 2016+ MBP 15-Inch the cable was fixed on the LCD side and overtime got pinched. Did they fix this with the 16-inch?

Update: Flexgate issue -> https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/21/18634...

manish328 - Reply

I will have to await an iMac redesign that will allow easy opening for cleaning/repairs/upgrades. Absent that, I will simply continue to make do with my late 2013 Macpro. While not upgradeable, except for memory and ssd, at least it is engineered to be dismantled for repairs. (Note ifixit’s repairability score.) The trash can’s performance is more than usable for my purposes, and it does run cool - the cpu rarely gets above 65C. Apple can’t seem to get it through their heads that the marketplace is demanding a repairable MacBook, and failure to provide one is only going to do continuing damage to their reputation.

Robert Meppelink - Reply

I will correct myself here and say that the marketplace seems to be wanting a Macbook pro with a user replaceable ssd and battery, to be done with minimal tools, simply by removing the bottom cover. This would probably require the Macbook pro to be thicker, and very noticeably so. No one would care.

Robert Meppelink -

Do you see the flexgate issue recurring in this new MBP? It seems that with new design comes problems and i’m skeptical that they may have overseen the display flex cable issue this year.

Any clarification would be appreciated

Brian Ramirez - Reply

I have owned and used many Apple products since 1999 (a relative newcomer, I admit, compared to many). It has always been for me a love/hate relationship. But lately, there’s been a lot more on the hate side than the love side. This 16” MBP does nothing to change that perception. I currently am using two 15” MBPs, a company-supplied 2018 i7 Touch Bar model, and a personally owned 2015 i7 Retina. The former has been rather a disappointment all the way around, while the latter is likely the last MBP I will ever buy, unless Apple changes course. I cannot, and will not, support the concept that devices with a finite number of write cycles should ever be soldered to a motherboard, let alone the lack of upgradeability.

My 2015 recently received a 2TB NVMe M.2 SSD upgrade, and actually has better R/W performance than the 2018. Cost around $200. I don’t even want to know what a comparable upgrade would cost for the 2018.

Useful lifespan used to be an Apple selling point. Not anymore, it seems.

Jeff Cook - Reply

Apple’s trend towards soldered-on components and deliberately complicating repairs really makes me sad. I have tried to leave to other systems several times but I love the Apple ecosystem and always come back for it. The new continuity features are just amazing, especially SideCar… !&&*, I would spring for one of these new MBPs if they were more repair and upgrade friendly! but I’m not dropping $3k on something that, if a necessary component breaks a year later after warranty is up, will leave me out hundreds or thousands of $$ for costly repairs.

Apple wants people to just buy another one or pay a lot of $ for their Apple Care scam. Well, screw you too Apple, I’ll just keep buying older used Apple products on Craigslist and not give you any $ until you get your act together.

Tyson Roehrkasse - Reply

I’m so salty that I bought a $4500 MacBook Pro like 3 months aaago. See what I did there? Any chance I can slaap one of those keyboards in for this HORRIBLE butterfly junk?

Drew Payment - Reply

I see whattt you did there! Unfortunately, the internal frames between the butterfly and scissor keyboards are different and not swappable without considerable modifications.

Arthur Shi -

Hello what about the screen câbles which HAD problems before. Are they better now ?

Nicolas Rat's - Reply

Check this comment out for a detailed response!

Arthur Shi -

Guess I’m keeping my 2010 pro another year at least…

turcottesh - Reply

Curious whether this uses “TouchID 1” like the other Macbook Pros, or if we’ve gotten an upgrade to the faster TouchID 2 introduced in the iPhone 6S.

Eric Jacobsen - Reply

do you discuss and demonstrate the complications of removing the bottom cover to this 16” computer? where is the demonstrating of pulling it off in your video? after taking screws out of the bottom cover, it is complicating to unhook it from the machine via specialized hooks - unlike older macbook pro computers.

please notate, thanks.

tiko - Reply

tiko, these bottom covers are pesky to remove! We don’t have a guide for this 16” MBP yet, but you can check out our guide for the 15”—the procedure is the same. Hope this helps!

Taylor Dixon -

Hi! Thanks for the article. Can you please give a bit more details how to remove the speakers? Are they just glued?

sir_paul - Reply

I’ve been in both the broadcast and consumer end of electronic repair for several decades and the label “Pro” use to be tied directly to the accessibility and repair-ability of electronic equipment. Pro equipment was designed to be repaired and maintained with relatively easy access. There where call outs on circuit boards and tie points for test equipment along with straight forward disassembly and reassembly. None of that existed on cheap consumer, non “Pro” equipment. Apple has merged the “Pro” and “Consumer” moniker to some degree with the high price of “Pro” and the inability to maintain or repair that embodies cheap “Consumer” equipment. They have not done themselves a great service by taking this approach.

Robert Dorr

Robert Dorr - Reply

Hi! Thanks so much for your guide. Do you think is there any risk to speakers if you pass the vaccum cleaner over the spearks grill?

With regards!

Juan - Reply

Could we have more details on the 3-mic array? It seems not a single source is available on the Internet about it.

Jiahe Shi - Reply

Is it possible to fit 2017” MacBook pro 15” components in the 16” chassis? Asking for a friend.

Bobby - Reply

Any comments on the LCD panel: how they achieved thin borders and its stack up?

V Sethna - Reply

Hi any update on the LCD panel itself? I am interested on its thin borders and the overall stack up of the components. and the replaceability of the LCD panel.

V Sethna - Reply

I cracked my trackpad. I see you note it’s replaceable, can I use the trackpad from an 15 MBP?

Gig - Reply

I think the accelerometer was to prevent platter damage in a drop, there are on platters in this book, any idea why is the accelerometer there?

perris - Reply

Hi,

Could be possible to exchange the keycaps on a Macbook A2141 with US keyboard, with those of a last Italian desktop Magic Keyboard?

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQ052...

Thanks

Regards

Carlo - Reply

Hi Carlo,

If the Italian Magic Keyboard is similar to the American Magic Keyboard, then yes, most keys should be exchangeable. You may have some issues with the larger keys, such as the shift and space keys.

Arthur Shi -

“Pro” means flexibility, and always has. It isn’t about whether the user does the upgrades themselves; it is about the power to upgrade a machine. This ability to continue to invest in your investment is part of what makes a machine “Pro.” I would rather pay an extra $1000 for a machine that is upgradeable, than for one that is not. Apple got it all wrong in this arena this time. Thin is overrated in a “Pro” product; Apple could have traded thinness for upgradability.

Segue - Reply

The only reason I would trade in my matte screen 2011 MBP is that a charge only lasts an hour with a new One World replacement battery. I have googled the problem but found nothing beyond the usual “check if an app is using a lot of power”. After reading this, I think I will have to suffer a bit longer unless one of you guys can help me out with an explanation.

Ronald Chalmers - Reply

where in the world is the FULL tear down video???

David Hernandez - Reply

Tim Cook has slowly and deliberately undermined every reason to buy a Mac. He’s turning out to be Apple’s Steve Ballmer, no genuine passion for quality, just concerned about profits. But I’m not buying shares.

Came here to see if I could replace my mid-2009 with something viable for the same amount of years. It’s been through many hard drives, most spinning, and a few batteries. There have been times when I swapped a drive right out of a backup case and kept going. But the passion for quality and the company customer advocate was buried since my 2009 was made.

I hate dealing with the Apple Store, it feels like a contrived scam and I don’t want to give some big company my old hard drive with my data on it, nor do I want their techs to have access to it.

Thank you, iFixit, you’re doing dog’s work.

speedyk - Reply

Would someone mind sharing where the Touch ID Cable is located and possible make a guide on how to reseat the connection. I am getting that dreaded “Touch ID Failed to complete Enrollment” Error. and nothing has worked to resolve it (PRAM,SMC,Fresh macOS, Revived/Restored Firmware via DFU mode) leaving me out of options. third MacBook Pro with this problem, and apple refuses to fix it. go figure.

Stefan Lewis - Reply

No idea if it will help, but you can reseat the connection following steps 29-31 of this guide. Good luck!

Jeff Suovanen -

How on earth can Apple get away with attaching the battery in such a way that a battery replacement requires also replacing the top case, speakers and keyboard? Certainly they could have found a less user hostile way to attach a component with a finite life span.

Justin Sitter - Reply

“Apple have chosen this route for us and all to shave a few millimetres and grammes off laptops that Pro’s need to have as functional as possible.”

That is a lie that they want us to believe. Microsofts new surface books are not glued together anymore and still are the same size. It is complete BS that glueing stuff together makes the device more slim.

Apple is corrupted by greed. It is simple “planned obsolence” what they are doing. Their environmental greenwashing statements they post on their website are nothing but shallow lies. Time to change. I am not buying Macs anymore unless this practice has ended.

Dr Dillio - Reply

I have the 8TB model, and the flash storage isn’t Toshiba - it looks to be SanDisk. The chips are marked SDSBEGGKH-1T00 CN, and all 8 locations are populated (4 on each side of the motherboard), so I’m assuming that each chip is 1TB.

Jason Eckert - Reply

OK let’s put it this way. The Thinkpad competitors to this notebook would be the P series. The P series actually have a parts list with FRU part numbers. FRU means field replacement unit, ie. they send it to you so that you can pop open the case and swap the bad part with the good part. Makes in place repair within a couple of days possible. Depending on the warranty coverage you can actually get 48-72 hours on-site repair, where a tech comes ou tot you with a tool case and spare parts and pretty much fixes the laptop on the spot. That is pro level hardware support for professional gear. BTW, I own a 16” MBP, so I actually have a horse, or two (couple of thinkpads) in the race.

sinan yilmaz - Reply

If you want the ultimate in portability I suppose you need to accept that certain things are glued/soldered. I can understand this being the case for parts which rarely fail. But when you rivet the keyboard, solder the memory and SSD and glue the battery, this makes no sense.

I can also understand that it is more economical for vendors to replace entire boards while under warranty: the service centers need less equipment, less regulations to comply with (ventilation and exposure to toxic fumes), the technicians need less trainings, it is faster and potentially more reliable on the long term.

But basic components that frequently fail (memory, disk drives, batteries) should be end-user replaceable or at least without specialized skills/tools.

I have a ASUS ZenBook Flip which is even thinner than a MacBook Pro (ASUS is 13.9 mm thin while the thinnest MBP is 14.9 mm). Yet, the battery, disk drive and memory modules for ASUS are easily serviceable (they are not glued/soldered/riveted).

Bogdan - Reply

Which sound chip does it use? Sound even through the 3.5mm jack seems nicer than on previous 15” macbooks or is it just me?

Alex - Reply

애플이 이번에 수리 난이도를 겁나 올리려고 작정했고 결국 성공했군.

UiJun Lee - Reply

What happen if we use desktop magic keyboard scissor mechanism(the thicker one) in Macbook Pro keyboard ?

Friday - Reply

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